In the lesson re the Cyclades, I left off des and was marked wrong. In the lesson notes, it states that using de after se rappeler is optional. It’s required if one uses se souvenir. So what is correct? Thanks.
Look at these sentences:
To express remembering in French, there are two main phrases you can use:
- Se souvenir de <quelque chose> which is the slightly more sophisticated option.
Here you can never omit the de.
Note also that when de is followed by le or les, you will use the contracted forms du or des, and that de un and de une will become d'un and d'une:
- Se rappeler (x) <quelque chose>
Colloquially, it's perfectly correct to use se rappeler de <> as well as se rappeler <> :
ATTENTION:
In cases with stress pronouns (to remember me, you, him...), just like you'd use se souvenir de, you will use se rappeler DE <moi, toi, lui, elle, nous, vous, eux, elles> (literally "I remember of"):
Note: you can never say Tu te rappelles moi.
See also how to conjugate rappeler : Conjugate -eter and -eler verbs in Le Présent - main rule (ll / tt)
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Hi Liz,
The two acceptable versions are -
Je me rappelle les îles Cyclades
Je me rappelle des îles Cyclades
If you feel there is an error in the marking system you will need to re-post your query via the Report It button on your correction board.
Hope this helps!
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
I think you may have forgotten the definite article: les Cyclades. Could that be it?
Liz asked:View original
Se rappeler de
In the lesson re the Cyclades, I left off des and was marked wrong. In the lesson notes, it states that using de after se rappeler is optional. It’s required if one uses se souvenir. So what is correct? Thanks.
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Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor
se rappeler de vs. se rappeler
In an exam, would either of those be regarded as more grammatically correct/the preferred answer?
Asked 10 months ago
Hi Sara,
It is correct that se rappeler doesn't need a 'de' after it, unlike se souvenir de.
However, ( and after checking with teachers living in France) in everyday speech, you will hear this "mistake" made by French speakers all the time, hence the reminder from 'le Figaro'.
e.g.
Je ne me rappelle pas (de) son nom = I don't remember his name
Ils se rappelaient bien (de) ces vacances en Australie = They remembered that holiday in Australia well
I would avoid it in an exam when you can be penalised for the slightest mistake, but in my opinion, if you can attain a level where you make the mistakes French people make you are doing very well.
Some purists will not agree with me of course!
Alan Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Surely se rappeler de is colloquial and should be avoided in an exam?
(Except, apparently, when followed by the infinitive of a verb, when it is accepted as correct.)
http://www.lefigaro.fr/langue-francaise/dictee/2017/03/25/37005-20170325ARTFIG00004-se-rappeler-de-ne-faites-plus-la-faute.php
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
There are instances where rappeler requires de:
Sean me rappelle de lui. -- Sean reminds me of him.
Alan Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
OK, but apart from those exceptions, se rappeler de should be avoided. They are not "both correct".
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Well, se rappeler de isn't wrong either. It is correct, when used correctly. Like most things in life. :)
Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Hi Chris & Alan, thank you both very much for your input! Alan: how resourceful of you to have found that link, thank you for your time.
Seems like this is still somewhat unresolved/ambiguous - any chance of an opinion from a mod? Maybe Aurélie?
Many thanks
Sara asked:View original
se rappeler de vs. se rappeler
In an exam, would either of those be regarded as more grammatically correct/the preferred answer?
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William Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Vous vous rappelez (des) îles Cyclades.
The question is "Vous vous souvenez des îles Cyclades. = Vous ________ îles Cyclades. You remember the Cyclades islands. I answered 'Vous vous rappelez îles Cyclades" but was marked wrong. I thought "de" was optional.
Asked 1 year ago
Hi !
Je comprends maintenant pourquoi il faut inclure "des" dans cet exemple.
Pardon !
Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Forgive me but I do not think that proper clarification was made here of all three ways:
The formal 'Souvenir' = Vous vous souvenez des iles Cyclades!
and here des is a contraction of de+les.
The colloquial (dicey usage) "Vous vous rappelez 'des' Iles Cyclades!
and again here des is a contraction of de+les.
Left unsaid in the discussion, it seems to me, is that if William had wanted to use rappeler, and be grammatically impeccable and therefore 'correct, the proper phrasing would have been...
(3)Vous vous rappelez les Iles Cyclades.(or les Iles des Cyclades).
Our discussion seems to imply that vous vous rappelez 'des' Iles Cyclades is unavoidable if the verb rappeler is chosen.
Am I wrong in suggesting phrase number 3 and including it because it highlights the formal usage of rappeler and adds to our understanding. If it is correct it will certainly add to mine. If not then I return to the doghouse in confusion.
One other example of this confusion with a proper name could be could be:
You remember the Champs Elysees:
While Vous vous souvenez des Champs Elysees could convey our message and be accepted and looks right ...it is like saying do you remember the Eysian fields .
The correct translation would have to be , it seems to me, vous vous souvenez de l'Avenue Champs Elysees or more correctly vous vous souvenez de l'Avenue Champs des Elysees and similar phrases with rappeler.
William asked:View original
Vous vous rappelez (des) îles Cyclades.
The question is "Vous vous souvenez des îles Cyclades. = Vous ________ îles Cyclades. You remember the Cyclades islands. I answered 'Vous vous rappelez îles Cyclades" but was marked wrong. I thought "de" was optional.
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AliKwiziq community member
Why is"Nous NE souvenons de notre dernier concert"? Surely "nous NOUS souvenons de... is correct?
Asked 2 years ago
You are missing the second "nous" (the reflexive pronoun) as well as "pas" for the negation:
Nous ne nous souvenons pas de notre dernier concert.
Or, in the positive form (as you have correctly surmised):
Nous nous souvenons de notre dernier concert.
I hope that helps, -- Chris (not a native speaker).
Nous ne nous souvenons pas de notre dernier concert.
Or, in the positive form (as you have correctly surmised):
Nous nous souvenons de notre dernier concert.
I hope that helps, -- Chris (not a native speaker).
AliKwiziq community member
The question was "Nous nous rappelons de notre dernier concert. = Nous ________ notre dernier concert. (We remember our last concert.)" This, didn't seem to really explain what I needed to do, but I answered "Nous nous souvenons de notre dernier concert". YOUR answer said "no", it should be "Nous NE souvenons de notre dernier concert"! Can you now see why I was so confused?!
AliKwiziq community member
Please excuse my madness! Yes, I can see I did make a typo....humble pie! So sorry!
Ali asked:View original
Why is"Nous NE souvenons de notre dernier concert"? Surely "nous NOUS souvenons de... is correct?
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AurélieKwiziq team member
Paul asked: "Can you please explain why "Je me rappelle le Québec." is correct ?
What are the ways of saying ''I remember Québec.'' ?
Je me rappelle du Québec. / Je me souviens du Québec. / Je me rappelle le Québec.
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Paul !
Great question indeed!
The answer is linked to the fact that in French, countries are always used with definite articles:
"J'aime la France." - I love France.
See also our related lesson:
Using le, la, l', les with continents, countries & regions names (definite articles)
Therefore here, you will use either the contracted "du" (de+le) after "se souvenir" or "se rappeler", but you can also omit the "de" with "se rappeler", in which case you're left with "le".
I hope that's helpful!
À bientôt !
Aurélie asked:View original
Paul asked: "Can you please explain why "Je me rappelle le Québec." is correct ?
What are the ways of saying ''I remember Québec.'' ?
Je me rappelle du Québec. / Je me souviens du Québec. / Je me rappelle le Québec.
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MaryKwiziq community member
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In the examples at the top of the page you say Je me souviens le premier cadeau que tu m'as fait. But in the explanation following it says Je me souviens du premier cadeau que tu m'as fait.
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Mary !
Yes, indeed, this is a mistake! The example should say "Je me rappelle le premier cadeau...", as you ALWAYS need "de" with "se souvenir".
It's now been fixed!
Merci beaucoup et à bientôt !
MichaelKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Trois réponses correctes:
1. "Je me rappelle le premier cadeau..."
2. "Je me rappelle du premier cadeau..."
3. "Je me souviens du premier cadeau..."
Mary asked:View original
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In the examples at the top of the page you say Je me souviens le premier cadeau que tu m'as fait. But in the explanation following it says Je me souviens du premier cadeau que tu m'as fait.
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DianeKwiziq community member
so why is it Vous vous souvenez du chemin, et pas de chemin?
Asked 4 years ago
LauraKwiziq team member
Bonjour Diane,
In English, we say "you remember the way" - note the article "the." In French, you need that article as well: "vous vous souvenez du chemin" - "du" is the contraction of "de" + "le."
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