Okay, so I've just climbed up from A2 but this:
Je suis jalouse des nouvelles bottes que tu as achetées.
looks wrong to me. Why do I have achetées with bottes with avoir?
Look at these sentences:
Note that when the adjective is placed BEFORE a plural noun, the partitive article des (some) becomes de (or d' in front of a vowel or mute h).
ATTENTION:
This rule doesn't apply when des is the contraction of "de + les" (= of/from/to the) :
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Not sure which adjectives tend to go BEFORE the noun?
Then see Short and common adjectives that go BEFORE nouns (adjective position) and Other adjectives that go BEFORE nouns
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XineKwiziq community member
I'm so confused...
Asked 7 months ago
"Acheter" uses a direct object, which in this phrase appears before the verb (noouvelles bottes). I think that's the case of Special cases when the past participle agrees (in number & gender) when used with 'avoir' in Le Passé Composé
That's a B2 topic and from what I've heard even the French get that wrong sometimes. :)
Xine asked:View original
I'm so confused...
Okay, so I've just climbed up from A2 but this:
Je suis jalouse des nouvelles bottes que tu as achetées.
looks wrong to me. Why do I have achetées with bottes with avoir?
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SandraKwiziq community member
some new boots
Sorry, I didn't read the explanation carefully. It's all confusing!!
Asked 9 months ago
HimanshuKwiziq community member
Here des means of some boots. It’s a preposition here. Des here does not mean “some”.
Sandra asked:View original
some new boots
Sorry, I didn't read the explanation carefully. It's all confusing!!
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SandraKwiziq community member
new(some) boots
To my American mind, if I say I bought new boots it does not mean some new boots. It means I bought a pair of new boots, not some. In order to buy some boots I would have to buy 2 or more pairs of boots, unusual. Sometimes your examples are not helpful for me to know the difference in French. Merci
Asked 9 months ago
Hi Sandra,
If in English you bought (some - a pair of ) new boots, the French equivalent is 'des bottes' which become 'de nouvelles bottes' because the adjective precedes the noun and
des becomes de .
Hope this is clearer now..
DinaKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
As I understand, "some" stands for the object that has been just introduced into conversation. The speaker mentiones it first time, there is no legend behind, sort of "yet unknown" boots to the listener. In the 2nd example they are talking about object at least the 2nd time, meaning it is not "unknown" boots to both personages. In this context "some" sa translation is indeed not explanatory. Based on that I figure that I use "de+adj+noun" every time I'm talking about an object my opponents have not yet heard. On the contrary, "des+adj+noun" is about objects we all have some story about.
If this is right compris, may I please ask Quizik tutors to give a sign pls? Thanks!
Sandra asked:View original
new(some) boots
To my American mind, if I say I bought new boots it does not mean some new boots. It means I bought a pair of new boots, not some. In order to buy some boots I would have to buy 2 or more pairs of boots, unusual. Sometimes your examples are not helpful for me to know the difference in French. Merci
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MayKwiziq community member
Bangs adjectives
I don't want to sound dumb, but are the adjectives you are using (excellent, magnifique) BAGS adjectives? Because I see you place them in front of the verb, when only BAGS adjectives do that, and I previously thought the only BAGS adjectives in the 'goodness' section were 'mauvais(e), bon(ne), meilleur(e), and gentil(le).' Thanks, May.
Asked 1 year ago
Hi May,
To me, 'magnifique' does fit into the B and 'excellent' into the G of that classification but these two can be placed before or after the noun without any change in meaning, so they are pretty special ...
Hope this helps!
May asked:View original
Bangs adjectives
I don't want to sound dumb, but are the adjectives you are using (excellent, magnifique) BAGS adjectives? Because I see you place them in front of the verb, when only BAGS adjectives do that, and I previously thought the only BAGS adjectives in the 'goodness' section were 'mauvais(e), bon(ne), meilleur(e), and gentil(le).' Thanks, May.
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BlakeKwiziq community member
"Plural" not in the title
The wording in the article implies that this rule only applies to plural nouns/adjectives, but the title does not state that. Could "plural" be added to the title as well to match?
Asked 1 year ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Blake !
The article "des" is only used with plural nouns, hence its contraction applying to only plural cases :)
Blake asked:View original
"Plural" not in the title
The wording in the article implies that this rule only applies to plural nouns/adjectives, but the title does not state that. Could "plural" be added to the title as well to match?
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Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor
how does "de" mean "at"?
Why does the de in Je regarde de belles collines mean at?
Asked 1 year ago
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Regarder means "to look at".
Je regarde la maison. -- I look at the house.
Je regarde de belles collines. -- I look at beautiful hills.
It isn't "de" that means "at". The "at" is part of the verb "regarder".
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
But, strictly speaking, the sentence:
Je regarde des collines is ambiguous. It can mean "I look at hills" as well as "I look from hills".
Robin asked:View original
how does "de" mean "at"?
Why does the de in Je regarde de belles collines mean at?
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NoorKwiziq community member
confusion on ‘j’achète de beaux draps?’
Hi guys, just a bit confused on that example
so the rule is that:adjective is placed BEFORE a plural noun,
so in that example, obviously ‘beaux’ is placed before a plural noun, so why doesn’t it mean ‘I buy SOME nice sheets’ instead of I buy nice sheets?
thanks!
Asked 1 year ago
...de beaux draps can be translated as "some nice sheets" or "nice sheets". Two versions in English for the same French sentence.
There is not a one-to-one correspondence between every possible sentence in English to every possible sentence in French. Most of the time, there are several ways to express something in the other language. That's why it is so important to force yourself to think in French rather than cling to translating word for word.
Noor asked:View original
confusion on ‘j’achète de beaux draps?’
Hi guys, just a bit confused on that example
so the rule is that:adjective is placed BEFORE a plural noun,
so in that example, obviously ‘beaux’ is placed before a plural noun, so why doesn’t it mean ‘I buy SOME nice sheets’ instead of I buy nice sheets?
thanks!
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TruptiKwiziq community member
Adjectif+ noun and des
Bon jour,
I still don't understand why des changes to de or d' . If it's a vowel it's fine but adjectif+ noun ,why in this case . Why des changes ,how does it make a difference to the sentence.
In case of partitive article ,while doing negation des changes to de as there is no quantity. That's understandable.
What's the rule here ,as it's article des.
Thank you.
Asked 1 year ago
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
The rule is simply this: use de imstead of des when there is an adjective betwixt it and the noun. That's all.
J'avais de grandes voitures. -- I had big cars.
J'avais des voitures. -- I had cars.
-- Chris. (Sorry for the not very imaginative examples).
Trupti asked:View original
Adjectif+ noun and des
Bon jour,
I still don't understand why des changes to de or d' . If it's a vowel it's fine but adjectif+ noun ,why in this case . Why des changes ,how does it make a difference to the sentence.
In case of partitive article ,while doing negation des changes to de as there is no quantity. That's understandable.
What's the rule here ,as it's article des.
Thank you.
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NabeelKwiziq community member
Magnifique positioning
why magnifique come
after noun in « endroits magnifiques »
but before noun in « magnifiques gâteaux »
Asked 1 year ago
Hi Nabeel,
Magnifique is one adjective that can be used before or after the noun but without its meaning being affected.
Hope this helps!
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Usually magnifique is placed after the noun but it may also come first for emphasis.
-- Chris (not a native speaker).
Nabeel asked:View original
Magnifique positioning
why magnifique come
after noun in « endroits magnifiques »
but before noun in « magnifiques gâteaux »
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LisaKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
I don't understand why it isn't d'endroits magnifiques then?
Asked 2 years ago
Bonjour Maloyendra !
Actually, it's one of these cases where although many French people make that mistake, it is indeed grammatically incorrect to use "des" in this context:
J'ai vu des de magnifiques endroits.
Bonne journée !
LauraKwiziq team member
Bonjour Lisa,
The rule is that des becomes de in front of an adjective + noun. Endroits magnifiques is a noun + adjective, so des remains des.
MaloyendraKwiziq community member
Isn't this an optional rule, in that "de" is considered more elegant but "des" isn't grammatically incorrect either?
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MichaelKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Shouldn't "J'ai vu des endroits magnifiques" translate as "I've seen some magnificient places?"
Here "des" precedes the noun, not an adjective, and therefore it does not become "de" or "d'" but it is still the partitive indefinite article "some."
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Michael !
In French, "des" is both the partitive "some", but also the plural form of "un/une" (a), which in English would be a zero article:
I eat apples = I eat some apples = "Je mange des pommes."
I hope that's helpful!
Bonnes Fêtes et à bientôt !
MichaelKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Merci Aurélie. Je comprends maintenant. C'est le même chose: "I eat apples" = "I eat some apples."
Michael asked:View original
Shouldn't "J'ai vu des endroits magnifiques" translate as "I've seen some magnificient places?"
Here "des" precedes the noun, not an adjective, and therefore it does not become "de" or "d'" but it is still the partitive indefinite article "some."
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MelodyKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Why is magnifiques placed differently in 2 sentences?
-- relative to endoits vs. gâteaux ?
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Melody !
The regular rule is to place "long" adjectives (3 or more syllables) AFTER the noun. However, they can also be placed BEFORE when expressing an "affective", subjective opinion. Therefore, adjectives such as "magnifique", "délicieux", "énorme"... can be used in either position.
I hope that's helpful!
À bientôt !
MichaelKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Can't get my FR keyboard to stay French when I click here.
Anyway, Tres complique! So the BAGS (adjectives of Beauty, Age, Goodness or Size precede the noun) rule gets "overruled" by the 3-syllable rule which gets overruled by the "'affective', subjective opinion" rule? What is "affective", subjective? Aren't all opinions subjective?
JenniferKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Sorry, clumsy fingers down voted instead of upvoted. Loved your concise summary, but am puzzled by the affective bit of affective subjective. What does it mean anyone?
Melody asked:View original
Why is magnifiques placed differently in 2 sentences?
-- relative to endoits vs. gâteaux ?
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