Using stress pronouns in compound subjects and objects (unlike English)

Yes, you are correct. That's as close as you can come to a stress pronoun in English.

My brother and me -- Mon frère et moi.
My brother and I (sounds a bit stilted) -- Mon frère and je (plain wrong).

-- Chris (not a native speaker).

The reality is that in spoken English and in all but the most formal written English, we DO say "John and me went to the store." People say that it's not logical to do so, because "me" is acting as a subject. But no language except for an artifical one is perfectly logical like that. John McWhorter talks about this a lot in his books on English; he discusses "John and me" in "Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue," among others.

Please repost your question here. -- Chris.

I find it confusing that Jean et moi can be translated as 'Jean and I' as well as 'Jean and me' (I thought the latter was incorrect English)

Hi John,

Indeed, "John and me" is incorrect English, even though frequently heard in colloquial English. However, there does exist in English a kind of parallel to the French stress pronouns. Here is what I mean:

"Hey, you!" - "Who, me?" -- In this case "who, I" would be unnatural. In this case "I" is replaced by "me" which functions as a kind of stress pronoun for "I". This works for other persons as well:

I -- me
you -- you
he/she/it -- him/her/it
we -- us
you -- you
they -- them

It's curious, but in English the use of the stress pronouns also seems to depend on the position within the sentence:

"My brother and I are going out." -- correct.
"My brother and me are going out." -- incorrect.
"Me and my brother are going out." -- correct.
"I and my brother are going out." -- incorrect (or at least awkward).

So your question has more to do with English than with French.

-- Chris (not a native speaker).

Chris, you would NEVER say "Me and my brother are going out".  That is incorrect.  The only way to say this is "My brother and I are going out".  "I and my brother are going out" IS awkward but it's not incorrect.

This just isn't true! See John McWhorter and a host of other linguists on this.

He's American. Any English linguists in that host?   

My brother and I are subject pronoun(s), so when they are the subject, use I. My brother and me are object promoun(s). Use when they are the object.

 "My brother and I walked down the street." Or "My brother and me walked down the street." ? Knockout "my brother" and see how it sounds. "I walked down the street." Or "Me walked down the street." 

Hi Shruti,

you need the stress pronoun "lui" here. Even in English you would say: "Marie and HIM" which is the English version of a stress pronoun. 

-- Chris (not a native speaker). 

Bonjour Shruti !

While in English, you could nowadays use colloquially either he or him in subject groups, in French, you can only use the stress pronoun lui.

See our related lesson:
https://kwiziq.learnfrenchwithalexa.com/revision/grammar/how-disjunctive-stress-pronouns-are-used-in-both-compound-subjects-and-objects-unlike-english

Bonne journée !

Hi Shruti,

again, this is a case of stress pronouns. "Toi" is the stress pronoun for "tu" and "elle" is the same as personal and stress pronoun. 

-- Chris (not a native speaker). 

Bonjour Shruti !

Same case here as previously.
While in English, you could nowadays use colloquially either you/she or you/her in subject groups, in French, you can only use the stress pronouns toi/elle.

See our related lesson:
https://kwiziq.learnfrenchwithalexa.com/revision/grammar/how-disjunctive-stress-pronouns-are-used-in-both-compound-subjects-and-objects-unlike-english

Bonne journée !

Bonjour Stewart,

Êtes is used when the subject is vous or a combination of words that equal vous: ma femme et toi (my wife and you = you) = vous.

Sommes is used when the subject is nous or a combination of words that equal nous: toi et moi (you and I = we) = nous.

You might like to reveiw this lesson: https://kwiziq.learnfrenchwithalexa.com/my-languages/french/view/406

Thank you ... problem solved!
Stewart

Hi Sandra, the question asked for the correct French for "You and I understood the same thing".

Just as in English, this is a first person plural situation (e.g. You and I are)

Hope that helps.

Why is you being translated as toi instead of vous? Toi is the familiar form but there is no indication here that you and I are on a familiar level. I have that question throughout the lesson whenever you was translated as toi